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Second Weather Report: Yahoo! Launching New Search Index Tonight
This is our second weather report. We will be making changes to the index tonight so you should be seeing more of your pages in the index as well as some fluctuations in the rankings of results from previous searches.
I will be traveling to New Orleans later this week to speak at the Webmasterworld Search Conference . It promises to be hot, humid and rainy down on Bourbon Street. I will be doing a morning Q&A with Brett Tabke and then the search super session with the other search companies in the afternoon. Jeremy Zawodny will also be speaking on blogging and podcasting on Wednesday and Thursday. Hope to see many of you there.
If you have any feedback for us about the new index please email: ystfeedback@yahoo.com.
We look forward to hearing from you.
Tim Mayer
Yahoo! Search


Comments
Very exciting news, I'm looking forward to it. And once again Tim, thanks for letting everyone know!
Posted by: Marcia | June 20, 2005 06:56 AM
Thanks Tim! ;-)
It is so nice to see search engines communicating with users and webmasters.
Keep up the good work!
martin
Posted by: webseo | June 20, 2005 09:07 AM
Great news Tim ... Thanks so much for letting us webmasters know ... Have a wonderful, and safe trip to New Orleans ... And by the way ... While you are there, hit the "Old Abysinth" Bar on Bourbon St. One of the oldest, continually operating bars in the U.S. ... Great little hole in the wall :-)
Posted by: Jimmy | June 20, 2005 12:20 PM
There is too much weight given to Keywords in Backwards Links - "Link Popularity" is given too much emphasis on both MSN, Yahoo and Google
Realizing the need to have an external "voting" system - but this discriminates against quality, new and low budget sites that do not have the time to promote and network -
The major and wealthy Web sites can outsource and purchase links on prestigious pages - they will always have the stronger promotion capability
Something needs to be done to "EQUALIZE" and Democratize SERPs -- *** PLEASE ****
Posted by: A. Seo | June 20, 2005 12:24 PM
Danke Sehr Tim, and Thanks too!
(Here's to hoping some of the Yellow pages, Super pages, addresses, and other machine-generated spam get a good Yahoo! spanking... at least I can hope ...)
Posted by: please | June 20, 2005 12:53 PM
Many, many people have had problems with the Google "sandbox". Newer websites that are completely relevant are purposely SUPPRESSED from Google search results. I was #2 in Yahoo for my search term. Now I am not listed in Yahoo--at least not in the first 1000 results. All kinds of spam and irrelevant sites are there, BUT NOT MINE!!!
Posted by: motumbo | June 20, 2005 02:45 PM
"Something needs to be done to "EQUALIZE" and Democratize SERPs -- *** PLEASE ****"
So, basically, what your saying is you know what works, but it requires too much effort for you, so please make it even easier for me, or heck, just give it to me.I suspect whatever method they use will simply elicit more excuses from you. Typical. If you don't have the time to promote your business, maybe you shouldn't be in business. I can see the local brick and mortar start-up using that strategy, lol. Wonder how long they would be around?
Posted by: Kevin | June 20, 2005 02:46 PM
Hopefully one of the changes will be to actually fix Yahoo. As it stands today, and for the past few months, Yahoo is broken. You know it, I know it, and most everyone else knows it. Pages dropped for no reason, sites booted for no reason, sites not getting indexed for no reason, etc, etc, etc.....
Posted by: Steve | June 20, 2005 02:55 PM
>>"Link Popularity" is given too much emphasis on both MSN, Yahoo and Google
No, I disagree. All it takes is a few decent quality, legitimate inbound links with Yahoo, intuitive navigation (good for users too, BTW) and pages that are a little more relevant to the topic than "Welcome to my Webpage."
Half of what it takes to optimize for Yahoo is in their webmaster guidelines, right there as a free gift for everyone to see.
Posted by: Marcia | June 20, 2005 05:32 PM
It will be interesting to see what happens with this update. I wonder if it is REALLY a rollback or fix, rather than a real "update".
The update last week caused some major problems. I totally understand yahoo wanting to improve their results and implement new ranking factors into the algorithm but something went terribly wrong.
As Steve said, thousands of legitimate sites have been completely delisted only to be replaced by spammy sites. Virtually EVERY major message board has been talking about it.
I think what concerns most people is the lack of communication and straight forward answers. People have emailed support over and over again only to get the same "cut and paste" reply to view their guidelines. Sometimes they don't even tell you whether or not you WERE delisted, banned, or whatever you want to call it.
Sure, there are people who try to take advantage of the system and use black hat techniques but I'm not talking about those people (though oddly enough they are the ones still ranked haha). I'm talking about the tens of thousands of legitimate webmasters what would gladly fix their site if they just knew WHAT to fix.
I guess it is less a matter of IF you dropped from the SERPs, as it is WHY you dropped.
You hate to accuse Yahoo of anything devious, but it is hard to deny that when a major update, glitch, tweak, or whatever happens, millions of dollars drop to their bottom line when thousands of Webmasters pay $300 to get into the directory or invest thousands of dollars long term to join SiteMatch.
Even if unintentional, the fact is that Yahoo (and even Google) still DO prey on the vulnerability of website owners to meet their revenue objectives.
Posted by: trigger trap | June 20, 2005 07:00 PM
Cool, thanks for the news, something to play with :)
Posted by: Guillaume | June 21, 2005 03:12 AM
Thanks for the update. I was wondering why my traffic went through the roof yesterday. Now I know.
Posted by: LuvCube | June 21, 2005 05:22 AM
Yahoo, I luv ya, but various Yellowpages, Superpages, addresses.com (16.7 Million), and other machine-generated template pages typically using Sub-domains are running rampant in your index. Most of them built for Google Adsense ads. These mega sites seem to take one or two words from every category of human interest or activity and combine it with every town and city in every state and make a useless "directory" page. This templated spam just keeps growing and now seems firmly embedded in your index. :(
Posted by: please | June 21, 2005 09:11 AM
Thanks for keeping us up to date, it is VERY much appreciated.
I've logged my ranks today and look forward to great improvements tomorrow!
Posted by: Jason Bailey | June 21, 2005 11:11 AM
Hello,
I think that Yahoo's search engine has grown enormously, congratulations guys, the indexing seems to work perfectly.
one little observation though, I used the '»' character in my title tag. But the search engine seems to show it incorrectly in the search results.
in spanish, we use characters such as á &bacute;, etc etc... but the search engine doesn't show them properly on the results.
Congratulations!
Posted by: AndrobTech | June 21, 2005 11:50 AM
Killed hotel serps from the horror movie I just saw listed.Almost looks deliberate having trashed every relevant hotel site in the serps for major cities in the world. And what it has been replaced by? Absolute C****
I do not want to be cynical but is this aimed at revenues?
Posted by: max | June 21, 2005 01:25 PM
This update was complete cr*p. I am seeing more doorways replacing real websites. It's on the message boards everywhere. I guess there's a quality threshhold filter in place where if a site gets above a certain quality value then it gets booted.
A search for no fax payday loans gets the following two urls in the number 2 and 3 spots:
payday-loans.nw-fbody.org
payday-loans.campfirega.org
Look at the cache and then click on the link. Obviously a doorway to an affiliate. Also look at the descriptions that are given out by Yahoo. What cr*p. I am seeing this not only in this sector but in all sectors.
Posted by: Rob | June 22, 2005 08:32 AM
People who complain that a search engine is "broken" amuse me. Is it that the engine is broken, or you just can't figure out a way to game the engine to get to the top?
Only a poor musician blames the intrument.
Posted by: A.G. | June 22, 2005 09:41 AM
I couldnt figure out much changes as such, the same spam blogs are on top, No change compared to last update...
Posted by: Deep | June 22, 2005 09:12 PM
Well..
To talking to many people and also my problem, few sites which were on No.1 for relative keywords are not even in the index anymore !~! and also people are complaining more irrevalent result !!
Do you think this update was worth ?
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Posted by: john | June 27, 2005 09:13 PM