Comments on: A Chat with Andrei Broder (Part III) http://www.ysearchblog.com/2006/03/15/a-chat-with-andrei-broder-part-iii/ Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:49:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Craig Hubley http://www.ysearchblog.com/2006/03/15/a-chat-with-andrei-broder-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-2716 Craig Hubley Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:44:58 +0000 http://ysearchblog.com/blog/2006/03/15/a-chat-with-andrei-broder-part-iii/#comment-2716 "The third generation, still in progress, is about text semantics and analysis, where you starting to understand what the queries are about. That’s roughly where the paper stops . And now there are things like Yahoo! Shortcuts, or a lot of the information that is derived from the meaning of the query. Semantic, shortcuts, local search all seems to be taking off." Strangely no one ever seems to mention serious empirical study of query types that affect critical decisions, but don't occur via search engines, e.g. answers to questionnaires that citizens ask during elections. Without this, and the underlying policy terms they include and imply, you'll have a very difficult time getting at any "meaning. Without knowing the decision taking place (in that case a vote or a decision to endorse or simply to score a candidate or party), a concept of the domain involved, and a concept of the words one finds in the query and in the response, you'll be able to get more than surface scratches at the meaning. Actually having the various perspectives and the political factions on this competing using a means of semantic framing, is probably a phase of its own though it could be folded into "the fourth phase: information supply" since factions compete to provide that supply and frame it as they find effective for the answers that they want to give. It's inherently competitive, almost like spam, but on a semantic level. That's why most efforts will fail, they just aren't disciplined enough at the contextual framing, and don't pay enough attention to perspective or task context. Go read the UN State of the Future Report 1993 and 1994, it has quite a bit to say about the semantic web, or what is sometimes called the sociosemantic web. There are few or no projects that actually address this though there are some proposals here and there, and some quiet prototypes. “The third generation, still in progress, is about text semantics and analysis, where you starting to understand what the queries are about. That’s roughly where the paper stops . And now there are things like Yahoo! Shortcuts, or a lot of the information that is derived from the meaning of the query. Semantic, shortcuts, local search all seems to be taking off.” Strangely no one ever seems to mention serious empirical study of query types that affect critical decisions, but don’t occur via search engines, e.g. answers to questionnaires that citizens ask during elections. Without this, and the underlying policy terms they include and imply, you’ll have a very difficult time getting at any “meaning. Without knowing the decision taking place (in that case a vote or a decision to endorse or simply to score a candidate or party), a concept of the domain involved, and a concept of the words one finds in the query and in the response, you’ll be able to get more than surface scratches at the meaning.

Actually having the various perspectives and the political factions on this competing using a means of semantic framing, is probably a phase of its own though it could be folded into “the fourth phase: information supply” since factions compete to provide that supply and frame it as they find effective for the answers that they want to give.

It’s inherently competitive, almost like spam, but on a semantic level. That’s why most efforts will fail, they just aren’t disciplined enough at the contextual framing, and don’t pay enough attention to perspective or task context. Go read the UN State of the Future Report 1993 and 1994, it has quite a bit to say about the semantic web, or what is sometimes called the sociosemantic web. There are few or no projects that actually address this though there are some proposals here and there, and some quiet prototypes.

]]> By: JSweet http://www.ysearchblog.com/2006/03/15/a-chat-with-andrei-broder-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-2715 JSweet Sat, 25 Mar 2006 04:06:12 +0000 http://ysearchblog.com/blog/2006/03/15/a-chat-with-andrei-broder-part-iii/#comment-2715 Is it possble to implement, or does the technology already exist, to filter out and drop websites that utilize redirects, before and after indexing? It would seem to me that this would eliminate 75% of the spam that exists on Yahoo, and reward those of us who work hard to create valuable websites and content for your customers. Thanks Thanks Is it possble to implement, or does the technology already exist, to filter out and drop websites that utilize redirects, before and after indexing?

It would seem to me that this would eliminate 75% of the spam that exists on Yahoo, and reward those of us who work hard to create valuable websites and content for your customers.

Thanks

Thanks

]]> By: Search-Engines-Web.com http://www.ysearchblog.com/2006/03/15/a-chat-with-andrei-broder-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-2714 Search-Engines-Web.com Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:12:18 +0000 http://ysearchblog.com/blog/2006/03/15/a-chat-with-andrei-broder-part-iii/#comment-2714 ///AltaVista had almost perfect bad timing; it started with huge technology advantage but an unsustainable business model at that time, and squandered its early lead in core search competency. What kind of answer is THAT?! Apparently, people WILL NOT learn from past mistakes People do not want to deeply self-critique People do practice denial Unfortunatly, this spells bad news for Yahoo Ironically, Yahoo IS becoming that AltaVista (deja vous') A few years ago, Yahoo had the lead that Google has now, WITH A FOUR YEAR HEAD START!!! Look what is happening :-( WE ALL HAVE CONSTANT OPPORTUNITIES TO LEARN FROM THE PAST!!! Whether we choose to....... ///AltaVista had almost perfect bad timing; it started with huge technology advantage but an unsustainable business model at that time, and squandered its early lead in core search competency.

What kind of answer is THAT?!

Apparently, people WILL NOT learn from past mistakes
People do not want to deeply self-critique
People do practice denial

Unfortunatly, this spells bad news for Yahoo

Ironically, Yahoo IS becoming that AltaVista (deja vous’)

A few years ago, Yahoo had the lead that Google has now, WITH A FOUR YEAR HEAD START!!!

Look what is happening :-(

WE ALL HAVE CONSTANT OPPORTUNITIES TO LEARN FROM THE PAST!!! Whether we choose to…….

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